Anne's status post:
Repost: If Christmas is all about Christ for you, then so be it. Enjoy it...but Dec 25th is not his real birthday, however it is someone's real birthday and when that guy's followers wish to celebrate it as it is...don't get offended if they insist that Christmas isn't about Jesus. For them, it's not. And don't get offended when people want to celebrate Hanukkah or Kwanzaa. Love doesn't insist on it's own way remember? So please don't insist that Christmas is about Jesus. Let people have freedom so they see the kindness of God in you.
For many people, this kind of thing incenses them. Of course, it's about Christ! Why the heck would 'Christ' be in the name if it weren't? Very valid question. And that last bit? Let people have freedom of how they view the day. That is important. God did give us a choice. The why's of it can be addressed another time, perhaps.
Okay, so hard to recapture what I wrote before in reply to her. It was carefully written. (dramatic sigh inserted here). Bear with me as I struggle to put the pieces back together.
You see, it's been awhile since I truly considered what Christmas was. And I had formulated my thoughts of it, however vague and unsharpened and unclarified it may seem now, before I turned atheist. I held some of it during my atheism. You will probably see some of what I mean here.
Easiest starting point: The word itself. Awesome thing for my brain puddle is that this is easily googled and what is found can be summarized. Here it is:
Another fact of the matter is that the pagan ritual of winter festivities and symbolism did have a hand here in the decision of the date of Christ's Holy Mass. Paganism is older, it is ancient, and it did happen before the birth of Christ as the Holy Man on earth. Another hand in the date is that it was a calculation from the supposed time He was conceived. All these facts had an impact and it can be a struggle to understand.
My understanding of it is this, if you will. Christ is older than paganism itself, He is older than man in general, before He became Man. When God created the world, He did it with Christ in mind. (Eph. 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; amongst many other verses). God is beyond Time, he looks upon it all as a present moment. Christmas is about Christ because we made it so.
Easiest starting point: The word itself. Awesome thing for my brain puddle is that this is easily googled and what is found can be summarized. Here it is:
Christmas = Cristes missa = Christ's Holy Mass. That is unavoidable. The very name of the holiday points directly as Christ for the reason, if not for an accurate birthdate. The term 'mass' is liturgical -- The Lord's Supper, the Holy Communion, etc.
Another fact of the matter is that the pagan ritual of winter festivities and symbolism did have a hand here in the decision of the date of Christ's Holy Mass. Paganism is older, it is ancient, and it did happen before the birth of Christ as the Holy Man on earth. Another hand in the date is that it was a calculation from the supposed time He was conceived. All these facts had an impact and it can be a struggle to understand.
My understanding of it is this, if you will. Christ is older than paganism itself, He is older than man in general, before He became Man. When God created the world, He did it with Christ in mind. (Eph. 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; amongst many other verses). God is beyond Time, he looks upon it all as a present moment. Christmas is about Christ because we made it so.
However, if you don't believe, that is fine. It is your right to celebrate the holiday in a way that is not about Christ. My only hope is that you celebrate what it is about in general: Home, Life, and Family.
If you celebrate something else other than Christmas, like Hanukkah for example, then naturally I, nor anyone else, cannot tell you to celebrate Christmas instead. Just so we can say Christmas = Christ's day = believe in Christ? I don't think so. I don't know anything about Hanukkah and Kwanzaa. I cannot speak for it. I think it's fascinating, and if you believe in the roots of that, then it's easy to see that you should celebrate it!
God did not want man to be robots. He wanted them to have feelings; to come to understand Love. That can't be done without some choices on our part. To do this, Christians, I hope, would show kindness and not insist on their own love to be the way. Insist on Christ's Love in yourself and fellow believers -- that is, to love with Christ in you and not with conditions or judgment.
Peace be to you.
God did not want man to be robots. He wanted them to have feelings; to come to understand Love. That can't be done without some choices on our part. To do this, Christians, I hope, would show kindness and not insist on their own love to be the way. Insist on Christ's Love in yourself and fellow believers -- that is, to love with Christ in you and not with conditions or judgment.
Peace be to you.
